1 Sapphire Q measurement meeting
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   3 2023 September 21st (Thu) 14:30-16:00
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   5 Yamada, TSuzuki, Miyoki, RTakahashi, Baipai, Aso, Komori, Tomaru, KYamamoto
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   7 (1)Onsite mirror Q measurement
   8 Q (24kHz) of all mirrors around 250K are on the order of 10^4.
   9 https://klog.icrr.u-tokyo.ac.jp/osl/?r=27117
  10 Q (24kHz) of both ITM's (ETM's) around 80 K are on the order of 10^6 (10^5). 
  11 https://klog.icrr.u-tokyo.ac.jp/osl/?r=26904
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  14 (2)Offsite Mirror Q measurement (Yamada and Suzuki)
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  16 Yamada-kun introduced quotation (including commecial products by Misumi and Thorlans for suspension frame and wire breaker gluing) 
  17 and Miyoki-san shows his idea for budget.
  18 Yamada-kun will consider which parts are made by companies or KEK machine shop.
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  20 Cost for KEK shop is lower but its lead time is longer. 
  21 If we asks all parts to a company, the lead time is 1.5 month. This is also trade off which must be taken care of.
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  23 After Yamada-kun writes design drawings, TSuzuki-san checks. Then they are uploaded to JGW doc.
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  25 Aso-kun's requests the measurement of Q of polished bulks for new ITM on January 2024 since its chamfers have damage. 
  26 If measured Q is not so excellent, we ask Okamoto to polish chamfer (it takes a few months).
  27 So parts must be delivered as soon as possible.
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  29 HCB box can be used as jig for wire breaker gluing (Ushiba-kun agrees). 
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  32 (3)Onsite violin Q measurement (K. Komori)
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  34 Q-values of first violin mode are derived from measured peak width of power spectrum.
  35 https://klog.icrr.u-tokyo.ac.jp/osl/?r=26113 
  36 Violin peaks are idetified (which peak belongs to which sapphire suspension) by white noise excitation to each sapphire suspension.
  37 Q of many modes around 250K are consistent with thermoelastic damping. On the other hand, Q around 80K is smaller than thermoelastic
  38 damping Q and comparable with Shishido-kun's memasurement as below.
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  40 When we assume Q of mirror (fiber) is 10^6 (10^5), binary range is 55 Mpc (comparable with Virgo O3). 
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  42 After DC readout is realized, violin Q measured (ring down method, at first around 80K, later 20K).
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  45 (4)offsite fiber Q measurement
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  47 Shishido-kun measured Q of fiber with sumiceram (as KAGRA sapphire fibers) without anyload. Q at 5K was about 10^5. He confirmed 
  48 this Q is limited by fiber itself.
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  50 Rishabh-kun proceeds with preparation. His strategy is as follows. At first he measure Q of short monolithic fiber. If measured Q
  51 is high, he measures Q of KAGRA size fiber. Otherwise, he improve support system.
  52 He will prepare by middle of January. 
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  54 He try to use Onosokki displacement sensor. If it does not work, he uses shadow sensor.
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  57 (5)Misc
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  59 After we measure Q of mirror and fiber, we measure Q of sapphire suspension (offsite).
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  61 Next meeting will be on the week of 30th of Oct. Kazuhiro circulate doodle later.
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  64 Remained A/I
  65 (0)Yamada-kun will consider which parts are made by companies or KEK machine shop (trade off of budget and lead time).
  66 (1)Yamada asks Hirata-san details of breakres later.
  67 (2)Glue
  68 Discussion is in progress. EP-30 in Type B and Bp.
  69 What we discussed in the previous meeting. 
  70 Glue must be removed. What kinds of glue ? Are In or Ga feasible (this glue need 
  71 not to support heavy load) (Dan's suggestions) ? -> We continue discussion.