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Participants: /* Eleonora Capocasa, Chunglee Kim, Kentaro Komori, Matteo Leonardi, Yuta Michimura, Atsushi Nishizawa, Kentaro Somiya, SH*/ | Participants: Chunglee Kim, Kentaro Komori, Matteo Leonardi, Yuta Michimura, Atsushi Nishizawa, Kentaro Somiya, SH |
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== Agenda == * Review of science section (Nishizawa)[[https://www.dropbox.com/s/ifgyiglm4ttmj4r/KAGRAplus-science-summary-190307.pdf?dl=0|Slides]] * Some new idea and discussion of sensitivity optimization (Haino) [[https://gwdoc.icrr.u-tokyo.ac.jp/cgi-bin/private/DocDB/ShowDocument?docid=9933|Slides]] * [[https://indico.ego-gw.it/event/12/|KIW5 (Feb./16)]] report (Michimura, Haino) * FPC talk at [[https://wiki.ligo.org/AIC/WebHome|AIC]] session of [[https://cgca.uwm.edu/events/2019lvc|LVC meeting]] on Mar./18 (Haino) * [[LCGT/Meeting/f2f/2019Apr/FuSat|Satellite meeting at f2f, Apr./18]] * [[https://agenda.infn.it/event/15928/|GWADW, May/19-25]] * etc. |
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* More detailed scoring of science cases (currently only factor of 2 or not) * Scoring the relevance to KAGRA and feasibility of each technology: [[https://gwdoc.icrr.u-tokyo.ac.jp/DocDB/0095/M1909590/004/Score_v2.1.xlsx|current version]] by KS, YM, SH: done, circulation to ML, KK * Sensitivity optimization |
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* Matteo: Integrating Michimura-san's python code with GWINC (JH) | |
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* Review of KAGRA code with GWINC (SH - with some help by others - also for the OSP issues) | |
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* KIW5 slides to be circulated in FPC (SH), talk request already submitted to CPC * LVC meeting, talk request already submitted to CPC |
* [[https://gwdoc.icrr.u-tokyo.ac.jp/cgi-bin/private/DocDB/ShowDocument?docid=9663|LVC meeting slides]] to be circulated, talk request already submitted to CPC * [[https://agenda.infn.it/event/15928/|GWADW, May/19-25]] |
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* Review of science section (Nishizawa)[[https://gwdoc.icrr.u-tokyo.ac.jp/cgi-bin/private/DocDB/ShowDocument?docid=9934|Slides]] * '''We are waiting for 9 topics for CBC and 3 for others''' * (Somiya) What is the frequencies of higher order ((3,3), (4,4)) bringdown modes ? => similar to the fundamental mode (2,2) * (Haino) The sensitivities in P.11 (Stellar oscillation) look strange => to be checked with the author * (Haino) Why KLF >> bK for BNS ? => Narrow band (like LF) can break the degeneracy for BNS * (Haino) '''More detailed scoring would help to evaluate which upgrade plans have more science cases => action item''' * Some new idea and discussion of sensitivity optimization (Haino) [[https://gwdoc.icrr.u-tokyo.ac.jp/cgi-bin/private/DocDB/ShowDocument?docid=9933|Slides]] * (Matteo) Why don't we try to combine 40kg and high power instead of FD squeezing ? => It can be also done, but the feasibility of 40kg mirror is still uncertain. So SH thought that FD squeezing is a bit more feasible at this stage. * (Matteo) Increasing the filter cavity length from 100m to 300m is just the scaling of cost, which we need a kind of technological jump from 30m to 100m. The longer filter cavity is more important for heavy mass upgrade option. * (Somiya) Buonanno & Chen code (BnC) can also take account of finite SRC length by modifying the beta term * (Somiya) Why higher finesse is not preferred ? => The arm round trip loss (rtl) is more limiting the sensitivity with higher finesse * (Somiya) '''We should score each technology both in relevance to KAGRA and feasibility => action item''' * [[https://indico.ego-gw.it/event/12/|KIW5 (Feb./16)]] report (Michimura, Haino) * [[http://granite.phys.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp/michimura/presentation/labseminar_LIMMA2019KIW5.pdf|Report from Michimura-san in lab seminar]] * Close collaboration with Gianpietro (Geppo) Cagnoli at [[http://ilm.univ-lyon1.fr/?&lang=2|ILM]] for the possibility of large sapphire crystals. * FPC talk in [[https://cgca.uwm.edu/events/2019lvc|LVC meeting]] (Mar./18-21) (Haino) * Now talk is assigned at Instrument science plenary: [[https://dcc.ligo.org/cgi-bin/private/DocDB/DisplayMeeting?conferenceid=1022|Link to DCC (now accessible with KAGRA)]] * [[LCGT/Meeting/f2f/2019Apr/FuSat|Satellite meeting at f2f, Apr./18]] * We may ask to some FPC sub-groups (now a kind of sub-people) to give talks. We will also ask for contributed talks. * [[https://agenda.infn.it/event/15928/|GWADW, May/19-25]] * A few from FPC will go there, we may ask for a few talks related with FPC ? * etc. * Some complains on the current format of references in the white paper. => At this stage we accept any kinds of reference formats and later on we will convert into one specific format. |
FPC Meeting on 2019/03/08 13:00 - (JST)
Participants: Chunglee Kim, Kentaro Komori, Matteo Leonardi, Yuta Michimura, Atsushi Nishizawa, Kentaro Somiya, SH
Zoom meeting(2): https://zoom.us/j/6676627462
- Next meeting will be around beg. April before f2f (doodle poll will be circulated).
Satellite meeting of KAGRA Future Upgrades on April/18 at 13:30-
Action Items
- Collecting the science part (Coordinated by Nishizawa, ... )
- More detailed scoring of science cases (currently only factor of 2 or not)
Scoring the relevance to KAGRA and feasibility of each technology: current version by KS, YM, SH: done, circulation to ML, KK
- Sensitivity optimization
- Fill-up the remaining part in Technology Survey coordinated by
- Matteo : squeezing and filter cavity
- Michimura : Low frequency related
- Haino : Cryogenic and mirrors based on inputs
- KAGRA sensitivity code management
- Matteo: Integrating Michimura-san's python code with GWINC (JH)
- Review and check the squeezing parts (Matteo, Eleonora, ...)
- Talks
LVC meeting slides to be circulated, talk request already submitted to CPC
Minutes
Review of science section (Nishizawa)Slides
We are waiting for 9 topics for CBC and 3 for others
(Somiya) What is the frequencies of higher order ((3,3), (4,4)) bringdown modes ? => similar to the fundamental mode (2,2)
(Haino) The sensitivities in P.11 (Stellar oscillation) look strange => to be checked with the author
(Haino) Why KLF >> bK for BNS ? => Narrow band (like LF) can break the degeneracy for BNS
(Haino) More detailed scoring would help to evaluate which upgrade plans have more science cases => action item
Some new idea and discussion of sensitivity optimization (Haino) Slides
(Matteo) Why don't we try to combine 40kg and high power instead of FD squeezing ? => It can be also done, but the feasibility of 40kg mirror is still uncertain. So SH thought that FD squeezing is a bit more feasible at this stage.
- (Matteo) Increasing the filter cavity length from 100m to 300m is just the scaling of cost, which we need a kind of technological jump from 30m to 100m. The longer filter cavity is more important for heavy mass upgrade option.
(Somiya) Buonanno & Chen code (BnC) can also take account of finite SRC length by modifying the beta term
(Somiya) Why higher finesse is not preferred ? => The arm round trip loss (rtl) is more limiting the sensitivity with higher finesse
(Somiya) We should score each technology both in relevance to KAGRA and feasibility => action item
KIW5 (Feb./16) report (Michimura, Haino)
Close collaboration with Gianpietro (Geppo) Cagnoli at ILM for the possibility of large sapphire crystals.
FPC talk in LVC meeting (Mar./18-21) (Haino)
Now talk is assigned at Instrument science plenary: Link to DCC (now accessible with KAGRA)
Satellite meeting at f2f, Apr./18
- We may ask to some FPC sub-groups (now a kind of sub-people) to give talks. We will also ask for contributed talks.
- A few from FPC will go there, we may ask for a few talks related with FPC ?
- etc.
Some complains on the current format of references in the white paper. => At this stage we accept any kinds of reference formats and later on we will convert into one specific format.