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Participants:  /* Eleonora Capocasa, Chunglee Kim, Kentaro Komori, Matteo Leonardi, Yuta Michimura, Atsushi Nishizawa, Kentaro Somiya, SH*/ Participants: Chunglee Kim, Kentaro Komori, Matteo Leonardi, Yuta Michimura, Atsushi Nishizawa, Kentaro Somiya, SH
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== Agenda ==
 * Review of science section (Nishizawa)[[https://gwdoc.icrr.u-tokyo.ac.jp/cgi-bin/private/DocDB/ShowDocument?docid=9934|Slides]]
 * Some new idea and discussion of sensitivity optimization (Haino) [[https://gwdoc.icrr.u-tokyo.ac.jp/cgi-bin/private/DocDB/ShowDocument?docid=9933|Slides]]
 * [[https://indico.ego-gw.it/event/12/|KIW5 (Feb./16)]] report (Michimura, Haino)
 * FPC talk at [[https://wiki.ligo.org/AIC/WebHome|AIC]] session of [[https://cgca.uwm.edu/events/2019lvc|LVC meeting]] on Mar./18 (Haino)
 * [[LCGT/Meeting/f2f/2019Apr/FuSat|Satellite meeting at f2f, Apr./18]]
 * [[https://agenda.infn.it/event/15928/|GWADW, May/19-25]]
 * etc.
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 * Re-organize the white paper sections(SH) => (being) done
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 * More detailed scoring of science cases (currently only factor of 2 or not)
 * Scoring the relevance to KAGRA and feasibility of each technology: [[https://gwdoc.icrr.u-tokyo.ac.jp/DocDB/0095/M1909590/004/Score_v2.1.xlsx|current version) by KS, YM, SH: done, circulation to ML, KK
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   * Matteo: Integrating Michimura-san's python code with GWINC (JH)
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   * Review of KAGRA code with GWINC (SH - with some help by others - also for the OSP issues)
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   * [[https://gwdoc.icrr.u-tokyo.ac.jp/cgi-bin/private/DocDB/ShowDocument?docid=9662|KIW5 slides]] circulated in FPC (SH), talk request submitted to CPC
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   * [[https://agenda.infn.it/event/15928/|GWADW, May/19-25]]
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 * Review of science section (Nishizawa)[[https://gwdoc.icrr.u-tokyo.ac.jp/cgi-bin/private/DocDB/ShowDocument?docid=9934|Slides]]
   * '''We are waiting for 9 topics for CBC and 3 for others'''
   * (Somiya) What is the frequencies of higher order ((3,3), (4,4)) bringdown modes ? => similar to the fundamental mode (2,2)
   * (Haino) The sensitivities in P.11 (Stellar oscillation) look strange => to be checked with the author
   * (Haino) Why KLF >> bK for BNS ? => Narrow band (like LF) can break the degeneracy for BNS
   * (Haino) '''More detailed scoring would help to evaluate which upgrade plans have more science cases => action item'''
 * Some new idea and discussion of sensitivity optimization (Haino) [[https://gwdoc.icrr.u-tokyo.ac.jp/cgi-bin/private/DocDB/ShowDocument?docid=9933|Slides]]
   * (Matteo) Why don't we try to combine 40kg and high power instead of FD squeezing ? => It can be also done, but the feasibility of 40kg mirror is still uncertain. So SH thought that FD squeezing is a bit more feasible at this stage.
   * (Matteo) Increasing the filter cavity length from 100m to 300m is just the scaling of cost, which we need a kind of technological jump from 30m to 100m. The longer filter cavity is more important for heavy mass upgrade option.
   * (Somiya) Buonanno & Chen code (BnC) can also take account of finite SRC length by modifying the beta term
   * (Somiya) Why higher finesse is not preferred ? => The arm round trip loss (rtl) is more limiting the sensitivity with higher finesse
   * (Somiya) '''We should score each technology both in relevance to KAGRA and feasibility => action item'''
 * [[https://indico.ego-gw.it/event/12/|KIW5 (Feb./16)]] report (Michimura, Haino)
   * [[http://granite.phys.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp/michimura/presentation/labseminar_LIMMA2019KIW5.pdf|Report from Michimura-san in lab seminar]]
   * Close collaboration with Gianpietro (Geppo) Cagnoli at [[http://ilm.univ-lyon1.fr/?&lang=2|ILM]] for the possibility of large sapphire crystals.
 * FPC talk in [[https://cgca.uwm.edu/events/2019lvc|LVC meeting]] (Mar./18-21) (Haino)
   * Now talk is assigned at Instrument science plenary: [[https://dcc.ligo.org/cgi-bin/private/DocDB/DisplayMeeting?conferenceid=1022|Link to DCC (not accessible with KAGRA)]]
 * [[LCGT/Meeting/f2f/2019Apr/FuSat|Satellite meeting at f2f, Apr./18]]
   * We may ask to some FPC sub-groups (now a kind of sub-people) to give talks. We will also ask for contributed talks.
 * [[https://agenda.infn.it/event/15928/|GWADW, May/19-25]]
   * A few from FPC will go there, we may ask for a few talks related with FPC ?
 * etc.
   * Some complains on the current format of references in the white paper. => At this stage we accept any kinds of reference formats and later on we will convert into one specific format.

FPC Meeting on 2019/03/08 13:00 - (JST)

Participants: Chunglee Kim, Kentaro Komori, Matteo Leonardi, Yuta Michimura, Atsushi Nishizawa, Kentaro Somiya, SH

Zoom meeting(2): https://zoom.us/j/6676627462

Action Items

  • Collecting the science part (Coordinated by Nishizawa, ... )
  • More detailed scoring of science cases (currently only factor of 2 or not)
  • Scoring the relevance to KAGRA and feasibility of each technology: [[https://gwdoc.icrr.u-tokyo.ac.jp/DocDB/0095/M1909590/004/Score_v2.1.xlsx|current version) by KS, YM, SH: done, circulation to ML, KK

  • Sensitivity optimization
  • Fill-up the remaining part in Technology Survey coordinated by
    • Matteo : squeezing and filter cavity
    • Michimura : Low frequency related
    • Haino : Cryogenic and mirrors based on inputs
  • KAGRA sensitivity code management
  • Talks

Minutes

  • Review of science section (Nishizawa)Slides

    • We are waiting for 9 topics for CBC and 3 for others

    • (Somiya) What is the frequencies of higher order ((3,3), (4,4)) bringdown modes ? => similar to the fundamental mode (2,2)

    • (Haino) The sensitivities in P.11 (Stellar oscillation) look strange => to be checked with the author

    • (Haino) Why KLF >> bK for BNS ? => Narrow band (like LF) can break the degeneracy for BNS

    • (Haino) More detailed scoring would help to evaluate which upgrade plans have more science cases => action item

  • Some new idea and discussion of sensitivity optimization (Haino) Slides

    • (Matteo) Why don't we try to combine 40kg and high power instead of FD squeezing ? => It can be also done, but the feasibility of 40kg mirror is still uncertain. So SH thought that FD squeezing is a bit more feasible at this stage.

    • (Matteo) Increasing the filter cavity length from 100m to 300m is just the scaling of cost, which we need a kind of technological jump from 30m to 100m. The longer filter cavity is more important for heavy mass upgrade option.
    • (Somiya) Buonanno & Chen code (BnC) can also take account of finite SRC length by modifying the beta term

    • (Somiya) Why higher finesse is not preferred ? => The arm round trip loss (rtl) is more limiting the sensitivity with higher finesse

    • (Somiya) We should score each technology both in relevance to KAGRA and feasibility => action item

  • KIW5 (Feb./16) report (Michimura, Haino)

  • FPC talk in LVC meeting (Mar./18-21) (Haino)

  • Satellite meeting at f2f, Apr./18

    • We may ask to some FPC sub-groups (now a kind of sub-people) to give talks. We will also ask for contributed talks.
  • GWADW, May/19-25

    • A few from FPC will go there, we may ask for a few talks related with FPC ?
  • etc.
    • Some complains on the current format of references in the white paper. => At this stage we accept any kinds of reference formats and later on we will convert into one specific format.

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